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#1 2010-07-10 15:21:46

masterarbor
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16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

I have four 16 ohm speakers that I'd like to re-cone. I'm thinking of re-coning them and wiring them for a 4 ohm cabinet but the other cab in my stack is an 8 ohm.  I have a V4 full stack that has an 8 ohm cab and an empty cab. Can I run my V4 head at a 2 ohm load with this combination?  I wasn't sure if the altecs were wired to 4 ohm or not, so maybe this is just a variation that was offered.

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#2 2010-07-11 04:31:16

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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

Okie doke, new question.  I was doing some web search and there were some indications that you could re-cone to a different ohm. Is this true?  Can I re-cone my 16ohm speaks to be 8ohm and drop em in a V4 cab?

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#3 2010-07-29 20:39:23

Sid
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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

Yes, you can recone them with a different impedance.  I've done that before.

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#4 2010-08-04 16:35:27

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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

Sorry to cut in, but I'm curious about the 2 ohm question. I have a Sunn Coliseum head that is purported to handle a two ohm load, but folks over on the Sunn forum strongly caution against running an old head at that impedance.   

Is a V4/VT-22 OK at 2 ohms? Even if OK in theory, will it run too hot?

(Sorry if this is an old question. I didn't see a search button.. now I just did!! I'll give it a try.)

Thanks!

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#5 2010-08-05 08:04:16

teledeluxe
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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

I think you are comparing apples to oranges. The V4 is a tube amp with a transformer than has a 2 ohm tap. 2 ohms is perfectly fine. I've run mine that way with 2 x 4-ohm cabinets. For some perspective, Fender Super Reverbs have a 2-ohm load and people have been torturing those things for decades just fine.

The Colliseum is a high wattage (for the time) solidstate head and they are probably suggesting that you go 4-ohms instead to put less stress on those old transistors.


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#6 2010-08-05 18:07:13

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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

Thanks Teledeluxe. Makes good sense. In fact, now I recall that was the issue the folks over on the Sunn forum mentioned. Appreciate the insight T-D. 


Mmmm... maybe I rewire the Sunn 4x12 cab down to 2 ohms and let the VT-22 really crank!

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#7 2010-08-06 09:05:53

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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

Maybe I don't understand your application. Is your Sunn cab an 8-ohm? You won't realy get a different sound out of the VT-22 with an 8 ohm cabinet vs a 2-ohm cabinet (assuming you have the impedance switch appropriately set).

Would you be using the VT022's speakers simultaneously as the Sunn cab? You are just asking for trouble hooking up a 2 ohm cabinet along with the 8-ohm load of the VT-22's speaker pair.


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#8 2010-08-06 18:34:22

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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

Thanks TD. But my VT was hacked out of a combo so it's a stand-alone head now. An ugly duckling that sounds like a beautiful swan!

The only reason I'd ponder rewiring the 8 ohm cab (4x 8 ohm JBLs) down to two ohms would be to try and milk a little extra headroom out of the amp. (for bass guitar) Am I out in left field on that?

Thanks again. Appreciate your input.

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#9 2010-08-10 10:37:16

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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

I really don't think you'll notice any difference. I have 2 identical cabs loaded with identical speakers albeit one is 4 ohms, the other is 8 ohms. I notice no difference in tone between the 2 when the output transformer is switched to its corresponding correct load.

Who knows though...


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#10 2010-08-10 10:38:53

teledeluxe
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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

Hey Marshall guys with 1960 cabinets... Do you notice a difference between 4 vs 16 operation with your heads that have both load options?


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#11 2010-08-26 06:20:47

Happy Face
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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

"to try and milk a little extra headroom out of the amp. (for bass guitar) Am I out in left field on that?"

Yes, I am out in left field. You are correct.

Thanks again for your input!

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#12 2010-08-26 09:46:53

hangman
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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

I have known marshall guys that swear up and down that their amp sounds better through the 16ohm out.   
They could never give me a articulate answer for why they felt that way,  and I could never hear a difference.   

one thing is for sure,  you wont get more headroom.   using more cabinets you might push a little more air...  which could translate into the bass being a little more present.

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#13 2010-08-26 19:40:16

Liquids
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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

hangman wrote:

I have known marshall guys that swear up and down that their amp sounds better through the 16ohm out.   
They could never give me a articulate answer for why they felt that way,  and I could never hear a difference.

That's funny. On Scott Henderson's forum, he swears that everything other than 8 ohms sounds like...I think, all else being equal, difference of parallel or series wiring will be more significant, if anything.

hangman wrote:

one thing is for sure,  you wont get more headroom.   using more cabinets you might push a little more air...  which could translate into the bass being a little more present.

Definitely.  If you want more headroom, get a cabinet with speakers that have higher sensitivity.  Increasing 3 db of speaker sensitivity with the same amp, can make as much volume difference as would doubling your amps wattage, on paper.  6db increased sensitivity is pretty significant, like going from a 25 watt amp to 100 watts.

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#14 2010-08-29 13:55:54

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Re: 16 ohm speakers wired to 4 ohms for a 4X12 v4 cab.

Liquids - that's amazing! Yet everyone was moving towards less-efficient "heavier-duty" speakers for bass.

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