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#1 2007-10-31 14:02:32

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Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

... I own a lot of vintage Fender combo's  and I just love the Fender Blackface/Early Silverface Reverb sound. The Gemini 1's are every bit as good as my Fender's and (sacrilege) I would say perhaps even better. More bottom end and creamier Reverb. I use my V2 for practice and my Gemini 1 for giiging. If you have a chance to buy one , even sight unseen, do it; you won't be sorry.

Any other Gemini owners out there ?

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Tom
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1965 Pro Reverb,1966 Vibrolux Reverb, two 1968 Super Reverbs, two 1968 Vibrolux Reverbs,1968 Princeton Reverb, 1968 Deluxe Reverb, 1968 Bandmaster Reverb, two 1969 Bandmaster Reverbs, Vox AC15 2x10, Vox AC15TBX, Marshall DSL 401,Mesa Boogie Mark IV, 1964 & 1965 Ampeg Gemini 1's ; 1970s Ampeg V4 ;(2)1970s Ampeg V2; Vox AC30CC1 ; 1965 Gibson Falcon ; Orange Rockerverb 50 Head

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#2 2007-11-01 18:31:45

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

its certainly not sacrilege in my book Doc. 
I love my ampegs... don't even own fenders anymore.

I think the reverb is creamier too,  the sound in general has less of a veil.

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#3 2008-02-02 16:20:39

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

You ever heard a GV-22 doc?  I just heard one the other day,  absolutely loved it!   I'm gonna pick it up.   its so nice!

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#4 2008-02-03 10:19:03

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

I saw a GV-22 on ebay a little while ago and had never heard of them before ; looked pretty  nice ; please give a full report !!.

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Tom

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#5 2008-02-03 21:37:56

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

will do!  I'm going to pick it up this week!   its so rad... one of the more early models with the 7591s instead of the 6L6s! 
I've really liked every amp I've heard with 7591s.

I'll keep you posted!

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#6 2008-02-05 15:21:29

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

alright.... My mistake,  the amp i tried out and really loved happens to be a later black tolex model G-12.  it is labeled "Gemini 12  G-12"   but as far as I can tell it is the same as a Gemini 1, which is also model G-12.   I've always seen the Gemini 1 in the blue diamond so to me it looked like a GV-22.

so anyway.... Yes, I've tried out the Gemini 1 and think its amazing!  the reverb is as amazing as my vt-22,  and the tremolo is so outrageous!
It is also LIGHT!  which is a nice change of pace from most ampegs I'm used to.

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#7 2010-06-20 11:14:08

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

I recently purchased a '67 Gemini VI and I absolutely LOVE it. Its got the black tolex, original Jensen speaker, and foot-switch. Its my first vintage amp and now I think i'm addicted. Thanks Ampeg.

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#8 2010-10-31 20:08:23

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Been recording, gigging and jammin' for years with as far as I have been able to determine, a '67 Gemini I. I've had various amps over the years... '64 Twin, Dual Rectifier even tried one of those boutique Victoria amps and I wouldn't trade the G-12 for any of them. The amp has been put through the grinder and still does what she does best with no issues. My only complaint is its not quite loud enough to cut through a loud rock song as far as standing out in solo's and more defined high gain chording and notes. I think the solution for that is to get another one and run two, lol! I put a Greenback in this amp as the Jensen was done when I aquired the amp, the Greenback brought this thing to life, I'm sure there may be better speakers, just haven't tried any others... I'm open to suggestions though.

I have a question for you Gemini I owners out there. What experiences have you had with replacing the 7591's/7199. I currently have EH replacements and cannot really hear much difference from the original Ampeg 7591's (maybe their being original (old) is why???). Also, I believe this amp is a '67, has black tolex with silver plastic piping around the front and it has a early looking printed circuit board in it, huge signal paths on the green board unlike the tiny pathways on modern pcb's. Anyone have a Gemini like that? Just curious as I've never seen another like that. Still sounds amazing though. Thanks.

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#9 2010-10-31 23:03:37

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

I prefer the JJ7591s to the EH.  They are more true to the originals.

The EH look like 5881s relabeled.   and I've heard that specwise they do not match up with the orignals. 

I"ve used the Eh before and had poor luck with them.. never had a problem with the JJs.

as for the 7199s.... thats a bit harder... I recently ordered a number of 6gh8a tubes,  which can but used in place of a 7199 if the socket is rewired,  or with an addaptor.

I have not heard them yet so I can't say if they change the sound.   But with 7199 tubes going for $50 or more,  and NOS 6GH8As going for $5-7   it seems to make a hell of a lot of sense.

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#10 2010-11-01 14:42:39

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Interesting.  You don't see Gemini I's just anywhere.  I played one the day I played my first V4. I was expecting to like it, possibly more than the V4 (had never played an Ampeg before, ever), but I did not.  It was in good repair as it was being sold by a mostly vintage shop and they were pretty specific about everything.  Anyhow, I fired it up, and in short time turned it off.  It just sounded boxy and 'like it had a cold,' or was dusty to me, oddly.  Seemed to lack high mids, to my ear.  A cool sound and probably usable for lots of things, but not usable for what I do.   Though I'd like to try one again sometime.  Keep in mind that I usually run my V4 by cutting the low mids a lot, and then tweak B/T from there, so it is kinda blackface fendery (can't seem to get away from that core sound), but with the awesome Ampeg improvements!

I searched Guitar Center's used database, and they have two right now - one in PA listed at 399, and one in CA listed for $600. Of note, a gemini VI in NJ.  Anyhow, those prices are comparable to the V4s, so they must be in about equally low demand, rarity notwithstanding.


Matthew

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#11 2010-11-01 15:10:12

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Thanks for the input Hangman. At $36.00 a matched pair for JJ's I can't go wrong by trying them. The guy who used to maintain the Gemini noted the 7591's last forever as they're not pushed too hard (if I remember correctly).

Liquids, I've heard people say that about Gemini's before... they played one and it wasn't alive. Trust me, if you get 'yer hands on one that is, you won't want to let go and as Ampeg guys know, the price is right! lol! I'm not too familier with the V4, I will have to read up on those. What kind of set up are they? Combo's, head/cab? Wattage? I could use something closer to 30 watts, maybe 40. I had a VT-40 once and didn't really care for the tone not to mention it was like hauling a piano around. Maybe, it wasn't the 'magic' one, who knows. I'd like to hear about your V4 when you have a moment. Thanks

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#12 2010-11-01 15:24:29

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Yeah... oops. Liquids, I see now that I'm on a website devoted to the V4... I suppose I could answer some of my own questions with a little focus on my surroundings.

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#13 2010-11-01 15:31:34

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

big_smile  No prob.  Yeah, the V4 is just the 100 watt head version of the VT-40.  See, to each their own tone!


Matthew

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#14 2010-11-01 18:35:44

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Fender,  its a V4 site.. but ampegs are all rad.

the JJ7591s are pretty durable I've used them in a lot of amps and have yet to have them come back for replacing.

I'll be honest with you,  I'm a V4 fanatic... but The Gemini 1 is my favorite amp. No contest.  The Black tolex version that I have has a larger/deeper cab  similar to a GV-22 in size. 
It is far from boxy.  never played an earlier version,  but Ive heard them at performances,  thought they sounded great

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#15 2010-11-01 20:29:49

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Thanks for the input gentleman. I would love to hear a V4 one day. Hangman, which amp are you speaking of with the black tolex and larger cab?

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#16 2010-11-01 22:11:35

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

The Gemini 1.   There are 3 different versions
the first being the original Blue diamond tolex
http://www.guitarphotographer.com/Ampeg/ampeg-gemini-b.jpg
The second being the black tolex with the silver plastic piping
Cant find a good picture of it but it looks like this Gemini 5
http://www.gbase.com/files/store_images/gear/2686246/p1_uhyumzk00_so.jpg


The Third  is the Black tolex (similar to VT22) version.

http://homepage.mac.com/lighterthanairflight/images/G12.jpg

Here my g12 on top of my VT-22:

http://homepage.mac.com/lighterthanairflight/images/G12VT22.jpg

It really gives you an idea of the size.  its just as deep as the VT22 and its width is less than an inch shorter.


The circuits in the 3 amps are the same.

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#17 2010-11-03 14:50:41

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Awesome amps!Is the VT22 100 watts? If so... damn, that thing is packin'! What speaker arrangement does your VT22 have? (gettin' tired of the questions yet?) I have the G-12 that looks like the one in the middle, with the silver piping, it has printed circuit board. I would like to A-B mine beside the blue check hand wired G-12's. That blue check is too cool, I'd like one just for that.

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#18 2010-11-04 17:38:10

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

yes

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#19 2010-11-05 15:46:53

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Tell her you bought it for her.

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#20 2010-11-06 12:25:19

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Fenderwhat,  The VT-22 is 100watts with 2x12 inch eminence speakers.
its loud as hell. reverb sounds the same as the g12 for the most part,  but the real cool function of the vt22 is the selectable mid control.   can choose between 300hz 1k and 3k,  +-20db
makes the VT22 one of the most versatile amps I know of

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#21 2010-11-06 17:33:02

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Thats a Gemini V.  Very similar to the Gemini 1 But I think it has 6L6GCs in the power section and a 15inch speaker.

I bet it sounds every bit as good!  I think its the 7199 phase inverter that really gives the amp its charm

God its so clean!  $300 bucks??

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#22 2010-11-06 19:43:24

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

wow...  Thats what i call a deal!

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#23 2010-11-10 06:59:26

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

My condolences to you and yours. =[


Matthew

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#24 2010-11-10 08:12:47

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

Bummer,  sorry dude.   on the bright side,  they are easier and cheaper to recap than the v2.

plus once you put that money into it, you'll still have gotten it for a good deal.   and who knows,  could just be a tube.

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#25 2010-11-19 23:07:35

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Re: Ampeg Gemini 1's are one of the best smaller combo's around...

My Friend/Coworker just picked up a Gemini II.  It sounds awesome.
The circuit is just like the Gemini I but the power tubes are fixed biased as opposed to cathode biased.   

I'll take some pics when we're done restoring it.

-steve

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